From Martins' mouth: the real reason why he was against the re-run of pros

[lugiadepression.livejournal.com]

Hello!
I hope this post can squeeze-fit into the 'other ephemera' category because it contains quite an important bit that many fans don't know about, or only have misinformation about. If this post goes out of the community's theme then please delete it and accept my apologies!

byslantedlight mentioned not too long ago that they seen an article that explained why Martin was against the show's re-run, and that it was legal/money issues and not personal distaste against the show like every media kept repeating.

Unfortunately our folks couldn't dig up any articles about it, they're probably exist somewhere but more than likely that people are sitting on them like gold, so that became a dead end to find. But then this video was shared by a memer in our folks and look what a surprise it contains. I dare to say it's 1000 times better than an article because it's literally what he says without someone changing the final words (like it happens in newspapers).

Martin Shaw - GMB 1988 - The Professionals, Run the Gauntlet

Comments

[byslantedlight.livejournal.com]

This is brilliant — thank you for finding it, and it totally fits as an archive from Pros days. *g*

I totally think the media/newspapers didn't report the outcome of the case because it was far less dramatic than villifying MS at the time, so I bet there isn't actually much out there to start with, but as you say it's even better to have it in his own actual words!

I've added the year as a tag (something only mods/maintainers — me, for this comm! — can do except for the author of a post), and thank you so much for posting it!

[lugiadepression.livejournal.com]

You are most welcome! I hate when misinformation is being spread about people.

Well, you saw the paper so one must have made a bit about it, though as Martin and you said this news wasn't very as dramatic so people and newspapers weren't much interested in talking about it. Which is just unfair after how they trashed Martin's name—but we are seeing a lot of it even nowadays. Newspapers can say anything they want in the name of free speech.

I'm sorry about the year tag, I could've swear that I added it. Thanks for fixing it!

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[lugiadepression.livejournal.com]

With 14 views??? 🤣

[sc-fossil.livejournal.com]

Thanks. I've read where he wasn't happy with the money being paid (and not just to him) not that he disliked the show. Not sure where...

[f-m-parkinson.livejournal.com]

The tabloid press had a real go at him when he stopped the series being shown because it was out of contract, though of course they didn't say it was that, and I have the feeling that someone - his agent? - said that he was now a serious actor, which of course didn't go down well and one of the papers printed the most unflattering photo of him they could find, from the set of Ladder of Swords. And other actors from The Professionals who were contacted by the press were angry with him, though they were presumably unaware of the series being shown out of contract...

[lugiadepression.livejournal.com]

That's an interesting take. Is there any content on it that could confirm all this because I'm interested to learn more of this? I apologise , it's nothing personal, it's just that now we finally found a bit that confirms that even the very base of the story that people kept repeating was never true I'm not daring to believe any double- hearsay. I know that newspapers aren't trustworthy as well, but unfortunately it's a tight corner.

[f-m-parkinson.livejournal.com]

I'm gradually looking through my boxes of newspaper cuttings, magazine articles and pictures. If/when I find something relevant, I'll see if it can be posted here.

[lugiadepression.livejournal.com]

Wow, thank you!

[f-m-parkinson.livejournal.com]

I've found some relevant newspaper cuttings from 1988 and have scanned them and sent them to byslantedlight but I think the originals will have to be photographed properly to be legible enough to post.

[lugiadepression.livejournal.com]

If you have anything it would be fantastic if they would be shared so fellow fans could read them 👍

[f-m-parkinson.livejournal.com]

byslantedlight has kindly agreed to see whether the scans/photos I sent of various newspaper cuttings/photocopies of articles are clear enough to be posted here. It's my lack of technical know-how that gets in the way, not lack of the wish for other people to see these bits and pieces. They're an interesting example of what the tabloid press did in 1988 to have a go at Martin. ali15son has already posted part of one article 'Professionals Lewis Collins slams partner — "What a selfish wally"', and other newspaper cuttings are along similar lines. The tabloids never allowed the truth to get in the way of a good story...

[lugiadepression.livejournal.com]

Oh, please don't stress about it, I know how difficult technology can be and be lost to it, I understand. It was difficult for me to get used to LJ and its website, things on LJ are much different from other platforms I have been using in the past.

I didn't mean my note about anyone in particular: it's the overall experience I see in LJ pros communities, it's just how people communicate in these groups. I have been looking over these communities to catch up because of reasons I don't want to share here, but I can say whenever someone has been asking for something the reply like almost every time was that the item will be sent privately. That's just how it is, it's not anyone particularly mentioned but the way I saw people communicating in these places. I somehow crossed up on that post about the ask for Operation Impossible, and so that's why I posted the screens here because there are many dozens of comments in the post but nobody posted the story in question (or I missed it? I checked several times, though), however, there are several comments in the post saying they're sending the item privately to others.

Strangers and people who don't want to interact that much/or at all, but want to read fun posts and interesting articles from the fandom shouldn't be forced to hand out their emails or to go into messaging people who are strangers to them: I had people sharing these concerns with me recently, so that's an issue to consider in these situations, that fellow fans won't give a chance to LJ because concerns like that is problem, because in my opinion all public groups and communities on any platform should be fun and informative to everyone the same way, not just to friends, old members, or people who are daring enough to DM strangers. I have a fellow friend who said to her it feels like begging and nagging strangers.

About the posted article you mentioned—I'm not a fan from the original time era, I was introduced to this show about a few years ago, just like many others. And there's this problem that people come and go and say many things all over the internet, claiming or thinking that the things they know are legit true, but then new written information pops up from somewhere, much later, and uncovers that the said information that was spread for whatever amount of time wasn't even true at all. Because said person only heard it from someone else too. So this misinformation wave is something that I only noticed recently (there are new things to learn if fandoms every day) and have been aware of just recently. Which means I had to rethink how to accept and believe information that crossing my way, and I decided that the wise way to tread about information is to be more careful. What people say without supporting proofs is hearsay only—it doesn't mean that I think that anyone in particular is lying, deliberately or not, and definitely doesn't mean that written news is or was trustworthy. But there's a big difference between people saying things they think they know as being true, or presenting written sources like articles where the information is laying written. And so the article you have been referring to is, unfortunately not readable, at least I couldn't read anything of it except the title. Which is a pity/sad thing for me because I love learning new information, or hearing different opinions and views about fandom events, learning what happened back in the day—even though the articles have to be threaded with serious caution. So that's my take on this question, probably not too popular but after learning from many misinformation incidents it is how I'm trying to do better in the fandoms that's not young so I can't just google any information I want to.

I definitely can say there are many toxic pros articles I saw just recently, misinformation and the complete lack of respect to the actors is going so far in some pieces that it results in a sickening reading experience. And I thought that the american press is the worst—me, the fool.